BBPA code 'doesn't address main concerns'

You really have a hang of it Mis-Informer. As you do not, at all, have a hang of it I'll SPELL it out briefly now: 'Suffer' in this context is akin to 'endure' rather than the meaning you imply.

It's really tedious going over the same ground again and again with people like you that deliberately just don't get it. It is BLACK AND WHITE and you do not even see grey - all generous spirited people like you see through your blinkers is 'the licensees are to blame' - just like BBPA the pubco poodles. It's breathtaking how Mis Informed you are. I'll come back to this, if you don't mind, shortly, when I've got work finished and I have a little time to put you more in the frame.

edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 24/01/2010 22:12:14

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J Mark Dodds 24/01/2010 22:10:29

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Tick tock tick tock there you go again Mr Anonymous local. Damage limitation? What damage exactly are you blathering on about now?

P.S. For those of you who do not understand exchanges of view, this is not a 'personal vendetta' I just will not stand by and let rubbish like that above from 6139 and Mis Informer stay posted without appropriate response. Watch out for 4038 to come back with some short sharp meaningless jibe from the empty wilderness of his knowledge free keyboard.

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J Mark Dodds 24/01/2010 22:29:45

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'Hurrah for Mis-Informer. It’s when posts of this calibre get so many responses in support that I realise that the result of my last fifteen years as a successful tied lessee in the top 20% of all UK pubs in terms of turnover and recognition have all been in my imagination.

Your scrupulously splendid job of 'Bizarrely Upbeat Denier of the Reality of the Pub Trade' doesn’t wash. For someone who’s been running successful pubs since the nineteen seventies you’ve missed a helluva lot of what’s been going on. Haven’t you?

How many tied leases have you plied your marvellously successful way through? One? Two? - NONE? Do you have a tied lease now? Have you been through several rent reviews with your ‘pubco partner’ have you? Are YOU paying TWICE what you would negotiate with YOUR wholesaler if you were free of tie? Are YOUR profits compromised by the tie? Do YOU have the qualifications to be posting pontificatory pro pubco propaganda?

I don't claim anything about support I just point out the bleeding obvious that people like you refuse to even look at for a second. I don't criticise people who stand up for their rights and work tirelessly for a better, fairer, open pub market free of the shackles of the tie - as you do constantly criticise them, sniping from the sides anonymously. You lily livered naysayer of blatant reality. Open your eyes and face some basic facts instead of pinging back and forth with the same offensive putting down of anyone who details the limitations and wrongs of the tie like a fractured CD:

If you run a sweet shop, a clothiers, a shoe emporium, a dairy, a department store a petrol station, a car showroom, a widget retailers, any situation where you are in business to supply goods to the consumer - where you have have to pay TWICE the amount for your supplies as the all other businesses who don't endure that simple 'tied' clause in their lease and what is the result?

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J Mark Dodds 24/01/2010 22:30:45

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Surprise surprise! Whooohaaa! You don't make a viable living unless, because you're SO much better than all your local competition, unless you attract double or treble their trade and then at a higher price. Then you can make bundles of cash out of your endeavours as a tied publican but you’re still being ripped off by your tie and you’re in the top 10% of all pubs performance wise... and not in any way representative of the whole. At that point you are over-trading your outlet way beyond even the pubco's unreasonably rapacious unsustainable expectations of 'Fair Maintainable Trade' and woe betide you if you still have the lease at the next rent review because the pubco will be out to take ALL that surplus which they see as their god given right.

edited by: J Mark Dodds at: 24/01/2010 22:30:56